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Send us a textChad Wanless is an Engineering Technologist with over 30 years of experience in mechanical design, specializing in optics and lighting technologies. Professor Dave Palachik is a Senior Electrical & Electronic Engineering Technologist, National Director Emeritus of MUFON Canada, and an expert in infrared and electronic security systems. We discuss their book "Hidden in Plain Sight: Evidence of Exotic UFO Propulsion," which proposes that UAP create visible gravitational lensing around themselves. This theory provides a promising avenue for future research, and implies that these craft may use some form of spacetime warping drive. Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop https://spacefare.etsy.com Support WTUFO https://www.patreon.com/wtufo Show Links: Chad and Dave's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Plain-Sight-Evidence-Propulsion-ebook/dp/B0F2N7KNKJ/ MUFON Canada https://mufoncanada.com/ UFO Video Described in Episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhWDaA7qK4 The Rubber Duck UFO Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ_Zb0GdI4 Rob Freeman UFO World Explorer, Marysburgh episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcxBDE1ZeFo Harold White https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_G._White UFO DAP https://ufodap.com/ ACE - alien cosmic expo CSSAA (site under construction) https://cssaa.org/ Santilli - Dark Light  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304339066_Apparent_Detection_via_New_Telescopes_with_Concave_Lenses_of_Otherwise_Invisible_Terrestrial_Entities_ITE Chad and Dave's Contact Page https://true-experiences.ca/ Chad on X https://x.com/CWanlessAuthor Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textRalph is a distinguished professor, journalist and author with a long and varied career. He's contributed especially significantly to the UFO conversation in recent years with his bombshell reporting and his deep, detailed biography of John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist who investigated abduction experiences. We discuss the experiencer phenomenon, the stubborn mysteries at the heart of UAP research, and how other journalists and news editors can better approach this subject with intellectual rigor. Ralph's Faculty Page: https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/profiles/faculty/Ralph-Blumenthal "The Believer" John Mack Biography: https://www.amazon.com/Believer-Alien-Encounters-Science-Passion/dp/0826362311 Ralph's 2017 Times Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html 2019 Times Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html 2023 Debrief Story: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textDr. Misra is an astrobiologist interested in understanding the origin, distribution, and future of life. His research includes the study of planetary habitability, extraterrestrial life, environmental ethics, and space settlement. Jacob contributes to monthly meetings with the Galileo Project, and he supports public funding for UAP research. We discuss the search for exobiology, the state of SETI and METI, and the emerging field of UAP science. Jacob's Site: https://www.haqqmisra.net/home Blue Marble Space: https://bmsis.org/ Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textDr. Bohlander is an international criminal lawyer. We discuss his book, Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence and Human Law. Dr. Bohlander's Staff Page: https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/michael-bohlander/Contact with ETI and Human Law: https://brill.com/display/title/68174UAP and SETI Symposium: https://www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/law/news-and-events/events/2025/04/grounding-the-seti-and-uap-debate-law-evidence-and-anticipated-futures/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufoSpacefare Shop: www.spacefare.etsy.comMusic by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textPreston speaks with us entirely in a personal capacity, not representing his organization. Preston has built an impressive and varied career as a science communicator, including holding as a Senior Public Engagement Specialist & Story Strategist for NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, where he helps communicate scientific discoveries from the cutting edge of astronomy. We discuss the solar system, the art of science narrative, and how to think clearly about UAP. We had a fun, thoughtful conversation. Hope you enjoy! Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop https://spacefare.etsy.com Support the Show https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO NASA JPL What's Up Series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTbF6EsIsg4&list=PLTiv_XWHnOZrT_ppDGiT__fI3yjD4t7dI Preston's Site https://www.prestondyches.com/skywatching Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textLeslie Kean has done more than almost anyone else to advance the contemporary UFO conversation. Her 2017 New York Times article changed the landscape overnight by introducing the world to the Navy UFO videos, Lue Elizondo, and AATIP. In 2019, she reported on pilot sightings by Ryan Graves and others in another widely read Times article. In 2023, she broke the story of David Grusch's whistleblower report in a famous piece for The Debrief. Leslie wrote her first UFO story in 2000 for the Boston Globe, and in 2011, she published her book "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record," which remains one of the clearest and most useful works ever written on this challenging topic. She also produces the series "UFOs: Investigating the Unknown," which offers an excellent, serious introduction to the subject. Both seasons are available now here: https://www.hulu.com/series/4c1070e7-5b4d-46e1-a5ee-b9eb0c7db18c Finally, Leslie has explored other mysterious phenomena in her book "Surviving Death: A Journalist Explores the Evidence for an Afterlife," which was adapted by Netflix for a series of the same name: https://www.netflix.com/title/80998853 We're extremely grateful to Leslie for her sharp, clear, insightful and courageous work, and we're honored that she shared her time and wisdom with us for this conversation. Show note—we discuss the Wilson-Davis memo briefly, but only to establish its provenance. The TLDR on this document is that it contains the notes from an alleged conversation between physicist Eric Davis and Admiral Thomas R. Wilson. According to these notes, Wilson told Davis that in his role as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he uncovered a secret UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering program while conducting an audit of Defense expenditures, and the program heads refused to give him direct access, despite his high rank. The Admiral has called this memo fiction, but as we discuss in this episode, he may have been legally required to do so if the program was or is real. You can read the memo in full here, or access the Congressional record version below: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20074164-wilson-davis-document/ ~ Show Links ~ Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com Support the Show: patreon.com/WTUFO Leslie's Site: https://www.lesliekean.com/ Leslie's UFO Show: https://www.hulu.com/series/4c1070e7-5b4d-46e1-a5ee-b9eb0c7db18c Leslie's UFO Book: https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Officials/dp/0307717089/ Leslie's Afterlife Book: https://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Death-Journalist-Investigates-Afterlife/dp/0451497147/ 2020 Globe Article: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-boston-globe-leslie-kean-boston-ufo/148614188/ 2017 Times Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html 2019 Times Article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html 2023 Debrief Article: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ Wilson-Davis Memo (Congressional Record Version):  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20074164-wilson-davis-document/ Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textDr. Zimmerman has led a long, fruitful career in philosophy and academia, pioneering work on environmental and technological subjects. He also collaborated with John Mack on research into abduction experiences and served on the board of Mack's nonprofit to advance that project. We discuss Michael's view of the experiencer phenomenon, his work with Mack, the potential qualities of NHI, and broader topics in consciousness, philosophy, and the nature of reality. Dr. Zimmerman's Papers: Encountering Alien Otherness https://www.academia.edu/82397884/Encountering_Alien_Otherness The "Alien Abduction" Phenomenon https://philpapers.org/rec/ZIMT-3 Michael on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Zimmerman John Mack Institute http://johnemackinstitute.org/  Est-Training https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training Ken Wilber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber David Jacobs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Jacobs Communion https://www.amazon.com/Audible-Communion/dp/B0B4F3NRCQ Program for Extraordinary Experiences http://johnemackinstitute.org/2003/01/program-for-extraordinary-experience-research-peer/ Bruce Maccabee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Maccabee Chariots of the Gods? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F UFOs and Nukes https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Nukes-Extraordinary-Encounters-Nuclear/dp/1544822197 Karin Austin https://impossiblearchives.rice.edu/john-e-mack-gift-panel-discussion/karin-austin Reddit Alleged Alien Autopsy Doc https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/ Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textDr. Jack Sarfatti is a sparkling, adventurous thinker, and he's been applying his technical acumen to UFOs in various ways for an astounding 70 years. Jack says he was charged by the CIA in 1974 with investigating consciousness and UFOs, and in the years since then he believes he has successfully developed physics explanations for both. We discuss Dr. Sarfatti's career, his ideas about the physics of UFOs, his intersections with intelligence officers and other serious researchers, and the intriguing childhood event that helped set him on the path of investigating the phenomenon. Buckle up for a wild ride and bring your thinking caps. Jack has a freewheeling style that hops across time, space and reality, always with a twinkling grin. Show Note ~ Jack mentioned in a comment that he made a mistake toward the end of this conversation. Here's his note: @JackSarfatti: "I screwed up at the end. Spin 0,1, 2 create repulsive anti-gravity dark energy. Spin 1/2 creates attractive gravity dark matter." Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com WTUFO Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Dr. Sarfatti ~ UAP Physics Primer: https://vimeo.com/554469177 Dr. Sarfatti ~ Relativity and Warp Drives: https://vimeo.com/878602695 How the Hippies Saved Physics: https://www.amazon.com/dp/039334231X Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textAlejandro is president and CEO of the non-profit UAP Discovery and a consultant for Enigma Labs, which has developed a UAP reporting app and alert network. He also runs the UAP news website OpenMinds.tv. Alejandro is a founding member of the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU) and a former board member. He is also the former functioning director of education and spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON). He has spent over 20 years researching and writing about UFOs and over ten years as a full-time employee doing this work. Alejandro's articles have appeared in the Huffington Post and Den of Geek, and he's been featured in numerous documentaries, television shows, and news interviews. We discuss common UFO sighting mistakes, the state of UAP science, and best practices for healthy dialogue on this exciting and sometimes heated subject. Alejandro's Links: https://linktr.ee/alejandrotrojas UAP Discovery: https://uapdiscovery.org/ Enigma Labs: https://www.enigmalabs.io/ Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com WTUFO Patreon: patreon.com/WTUFO Support the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Send us a textDr. Engels teaches philosophy at Molloy University, specializing in existentialism and phenomenology. She also leads Research and Development at the John Mack Institute, where she works to bring experiencer narratives into more scientific and public frameworks, and teaches independent courses on Shamanism and UFO/UAP experiences. We discuss the state of experiencer research and the intersection of Dr. Engels' philosophical specialties with the UFO/NHI phenomenon. Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com WTUFO Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-treesSupport the showSupport us on: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi on X: https://x.com/WTUFOshow