Caroline Shaw is a musician who moves among roles, genres, and mediums, trying to imagine a world of sound that has never been heard before but has always existed. She often works in collaboration with others, as producer, composer, violinist, and vocalist. Shaw is the recipient of the Pulitzer Prize in Music, an honorary doctorate from Yale, five Grammys, and a Thomas J. Watson Fellowship. She has written and produced for iconic artists and ensembles across the musical spectrum, including Rosalía, Renée Fleming, Yo-Yo Ma, Tiler Peck, Kanye West, Nas, the LA Phil, the NY Phil, and others. Her recent TV/film/stage scoring projects include “Leonardo Da Vinci” (Ken Burns/PBS), “Fleishman is in Trouble” (FX/Hulu), and “The Sky Is Everywhere” (Josephine Decker/A24). Her favorite color is yellow, and her favorite smell is rosemary.In this week’s episode, Caroline shares the background behind her Ringdown project (a collaboration with her partner Danni Lee) and talks about what it’s like for her to make music with someone she loves. Ringdown’s debut album Lady on the Bike comes out on May 9, 2025 and we talk about the heartwarming story that inspired the album name. From there, we dive into Caroline’s creative process and she outlines a fun exercise called “voice memo roulette”, describes how she builds her songs starting with the harmony first, and the two of us wax poetic on the benefits of Rhymezone.com for lyrical inspiration. To top it all off, we discuss the relationship between environment and creativity, the magic of old, janky instruments, and what Caroline listens for when she’s revising one of her works-in-progress.Website: https://carolineshaw.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/carolineadelaideshaw/ FOR EXCLUSIVE CREATIVITY TIPS, MUSINGS, AND EXERCISES, SUBSCRIBE TO THE ALWAYS CHOOSE ORANGE NEWSLETTER: https://www.alwayschooseorange.com

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Elise McLearen, powerhouse vocalist of My Metal Heart and former frontwoman of Sabatha Chicago (an all-female Black Sabbath tribute), joins the HOGPOD Chicago Local Music Scene Podcast to share her story. From holding Dio-level notes to getting bit by a pit bull at her first metal audition, Elise unpacks her musical evolution, performance growth, and what it takes to front a metal band in today’s scene.Hosted by:🎙️ Mike Orfanos (Misquitos Jam Band)🎙️ Mike Dermont (Coterie co-founder)🎙️ Pete Jansons (Editor/Producer)🎵 Special guests: Rhodesy (Chris Rhodes), Bongo Mike📅 Guest booking by Beth Miller – thank you for making it happen!🎧 Follow Elise's channel:    / @ronniejamesdva  💥 Support the Podcast:   / hogpodsupporters  🎯 TOPICS DISCUSSED🎸 Elise’s start with Pedal to the Metal & leap to Sabatha Chicago🐕 Getting bit by a dog at her first metal audition🎤 Leaving Sabatha Chicago to push vocal boundaries with My Metal Heart🥁 Audition styles, chemistry, and jamming with new bands🎶 Her love for everything from Dio to Donny Osmond🕺 Being a frontwoman: working the crowd, pushing past nerves🎧 Challenges of in-ear monitors & hearing yourself on stage📢 The need for better venue support and band promotionKey Moments:0:006:05 Wolfgang Paul is the new drummer for ARRA https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1...6:44 ARRA upcoming shows https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1...8:34 Elise McLearen introduction   / 35173elise   (Personal Page)   / mymetalheartband   (Band Page)   / ronniejamesdiva     / sabbathachicago  22:33 Dan Volpe is a band poacher :)28:01 Band auditions — rhyme or reason?31:19 Female drummers are hard to come by41:55 What do you do on stage when unplanned things happen?44:18 In-ear monitors46:28 It's cool when people record your performance—and it sucks when venues say don't record51:30 Was the live music scene better in past generations?52:40 Are posters in bars still a good way to market your band?54:00 Thoughts on Joan Jett54:29 Ann Wilson from Heart?56:15 Bon Jovi hate58:25 Mike Orfanos’ thoughts on best singer ever1:04:27 Catch My Metal Heart at the Broken Oar May 10   / 18fp7qjcte  1:05:50 Mike Orfanos' Sphere experience1:09:35 Check out Elise’s YouTube page    / @ronniejamesdiva  🔖 Hashtags:#EliseMcLearen, #MyMetalHeart, #SabathaChicago, #RonnieJamesDiva, #HOGPODPodcast, #PeteJansons, #MikeOrfanos, #MikeDermont, #Rhodesy, #BongoMike, #BethMiller, #ChicagoMusicScene, #FemaleMetalVocalist, #BlackSabbathTribute, #LocalBands, #HeavyMetal

New from the MeatEater Podcast Network: Long-time western author Dan Flores presents a big picture history of an American West you've never encountered. Covering a vast time span in a western America whose landscapes and wild animals drew people from around the world, this podcast tells a new story of our most fascinating region. Subscribe now wherever you listen to podcasts: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIQv7voZWHy4X3UFECqr3ggFIj9uQJT2OSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0wrs79YL0Jw2AjQrCBKUUu Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-american-west/id1811365050 iHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1248-the-american-west-273702538/ Pandora: https://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-american-west/PC:1001101272 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/17657fa8-7388-4983-8b26-c1d5505ed2e5/the-american-west MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, and Youtube Clips Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube Shop MeatEater MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This one hits deep. In this episode, I’m diving into a tough but necessary conversation: Can you truly heal from family betrayal without an apology? Does the title “family” automatically mean loyalty, or is that just a myth we keep telling ourselves? 💭I’m voicing my truth and asking the questions so many of us are afraid to face—Can trust be rebuilt? Or is blood not always thicker than peace?Tap in for a raw, real, and reflective discussion that might just challenge everything you’ve been taught about family. #21Questions #FamilyBetrayal #HealingWithoutClosure #RealTalkWithHeart

Hal Beckett is an award-winning composer, conductor, and music producer with over 30 years in the industry. Based in Vancouver, he has composed for film, TV, opera, and symphonic ensembles, and is Music Director of the Vancouver Film Orchestra. His credits include conducting for Universal and Lionsgate, contributing to Michael Bublé’s Crazy Love, and producing 102 national anthems for the 2010 Olympics with the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra. A passionate arts advocate, Hal is a board member for the Screen Composers Guild of Canada and teaches film music at UBC. During our chat, we talk about the differences he expects for people working in Music as AI develops, the biggest thing he would do for his career in Music if he had his time all over, and how he got the opportunities to orchestrate at the highest level. Find: https://www.halbeckett.com/ email: info@halbeckett.com   _________________________ SUBMIT YOUR BURNING QUESTIONS or SUGGEST A GUEST https://bit.ly/TVLBurningQ Instagram / thevocallabpodcast Tiktok / sararamsayvoice YouTube / @thevocallab Web: http://thevocallabpodcast.com/ Email: thevocallabstudios@gmail.com Theme music for The Vocal Lab by FreshEars Audio The Vocal Lab Podcast is produced by Alexi Johnson, 604 Podcast Network Some links posted in the show notes may happen to be affiliate or partner links.

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This week we go back to an older video I did about the warning signs or symptoms that you should not take lightly in your health journey. I like to call them symptoms, because that is what they are. Symptoms of a system that is crying out for help and trying to let you know that there is a problem that needs addressing in your diet or lifestyle. For coaching program: www.routinehealthandfitness.com

In this episode of Through the Creative Door, Alexis sits down with Steph AKA Cheersthanxalot a Melbourne-based lino print artist and podcaster, who shares her inspiring journey from hobbyist to full-time artist. Steph discusses how the process of printmaking itself fuels her creativity and how we often get in our own way of success. She also talks about her mission to make art more affordable and accessible for everyone with her series Sevens Collection as well as some advice for the creatives out there who aren’t mathematicians!    If you’d like to see more, you can follow Steph on instagram; @cheersthanxalot   This episode was recorded on 12th April 2025 on the lands of the Woiworung Peoples. We hope that this episode inspires you as a creative person and as a human being. Thanks for listening, catch you on the next episode. Psst! We are always on the lookout for creative people to share their story and inspire others. Have you got someone in mind who would love to have a chat? Get in contact with us via Instagram @throughthecreativedoor Let’s get social: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/throughthecreativedoor/  TikToc: https://www.tiktok.com/@ttcdpodcast   CREDITS Created and Hosted by Alexis Naylor Music by Alexis Naylor & Ruby Miguel Edited and Produced by Ruby Miguel   00:09 - Alexis (Host) Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door.  00:09 - Alexis (Host) Hello, my name is Alexis Naylor and I am your host here at Through the Creative Door. On behalf of myself and my guests, I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. Owners and custodians on which this podcast is recorded and produced. May we pay our respects to all First Nations people and acknowledge Elders, past and present. On this podcast, I'll be chatting to an array of creative guests, getting a glimpse into their worlds and having some honest and inspiring conversations along the way. I'm delighted to welcome you to Through the Creative Door.  Hello, steph.    00:52 - Steph (Guest) Hello   00:53 - Alexis (Host)  Welcome to Through the Creative Door. I have come through your creative door.I'm very excited. Thank you for having us here. I want to start with the fact that one you are, steph.   01:08 - Steph (Guest)  I am Steph.    01:09 -  Alexis (Host) However, aka    1:14 - Steph (Guest)  Cheersthanxalot   01:17 - Alexis (Host) Right?    01:19 - Steph (Guest)  Which is just, if you're going to ask where the name came from,    01:21 - Alexis (Host)  How did you know I was going to go there?    01:21 - Steph (Guest) I know because it's so random, all right, but I love it it's so easy to remember cheers. Thanks a lot except I put an x in it okay so no I like that.    01:29 Oh, thank you, Yeah, it's it all. So it started because in ab fab absolutely fabulous, one of the greatest tv shows the character patsy says um, like cheers, thanks a lot. The way she says it is just. I used to think so funny. Originally the handle was going to be is it a baby shower? Because this handle is just my Instagram handle from day one, Like so back way back when Instagram was starting.    02:04 - Alexis (Host) Long, long time ago.    02:05 - Steph (Guest) Yeah, starting, we were putting terrible filters on all of our photos. That was just my Instagram handle and then, as I just kind of started going and building things and making stuff, I was like, well, it's just this now, and now it's too far gone. So it's actually just an AbFab quote and it just so happened yeah, it just so happens to now be my artist name as well and I'm like, well, that works, I'll keep it that way.    02:28 No, but yeah, my actual name is steph so it's not as exciting as cheers thanks a lot, is it? I'm like. I can't wait till one day to be like someone. Be like are you cheers thanks a lot and you're like yes my name is steph. Yes, so silly. Yeah, fab. If you haven't watched it, highly recommend.    02:45 - Alexis (Host) So you're an amazingly talented artist,    02:48 - Steph (Guest)  Oh thank you    2:49 - Alexis (Host)  And I feel very privileged that I do own some of your outfits oh which one did you and I, you know was fangirling from afar. I was interested to know, like, obviously you're an artist but you predominantly do line print, like lino print work, but in your sort of world of art, are there other things that sort of fall into that space?   03:18 - Steph (Guest) I mean, yeah, it didn't start off as lino printing. It started off. I probably started doing stuff I want to say like maybe pre-pandemic cheersthxalot was a bit more like embroidery art and like I was making like earrings out of like shrinky dink stuff, and like it was very different. And then, during covid, I got back into lino printing, which we all did at school. You all sliced your fingers open at school and did that. But then I got into it again during lockdown, because we had so much time on our hands I wasn't going to work anymore because I was lucky enough to work in retail at the time, so we couldn't go into work, literally. And so I got back into it and I was like, oh god, I really love this. And then, since 2020, it's kind of turned into this lino printing thing.    04:10 So I do lino printing, I paint, you know, do podcasts. I, you know, try and do as much as I possibly can, but I haven't gotten into like pottery or anything. I don't have the patience. I don't think never say never, I know, and then, like, next year I'll be like, and so now I'm doing pottery as well. But yeah, I feel like I'm just. I just want to do as much as I can in the time that I'm given.I think.     04:34 - Alexis (Host) yeah, well, I'm gonna start into my questions, go for it. I love this, obviously, with these two wonderful projects that you've got, cheers, thanks a lot and framed, yes, but this could be, this question could be anything, all of the things. What does a creative space mean to you? Oh god?    04:57 - Steph (Guest) um, I think a creative space like I am currently. I work in my house, so I work in the spare room, sometimes the garage, and then we frame, we film the podcast literally over there. I'm looking at it as we speak. So I am lucky that, a we live in a rental that's big enough to house all of that and, b we've kind of got. I've gotten to a point where I do need all that space. I didn't need it before. It was like probably just a desk.    05:23 I drive my partner crazy because there is stuff everywhere in this house when I'm in like full creative mode. So I think that it's just like wherever you can park yourself and find a little bit of space to do it like. That's what a creative space is. It's like wherever you can like, regardless of where you are in life. You should be able to like, even if it's in your bed, even if it's. You know, I sometimes go on a walk with the dogs and then I'm like an idea has come to me. Quick, quick, quick get home, got to write it down like. I think it's just like wherever you can give yourself a little spot to like breathe and just I don't know be a bit, little bit disconnected from everything. Um, that's probably where it is, I don't know. I my dream, though, like my ultimate dream, is to have a factory. Like Andy Warhol, that is like the dream. So I'll get there one day.  06:15 - Alexis (Host) With all the projects that you've done over the years and continue to do. Is there something that you're the most proud of creating?    06:18 - Steph (Guest) yeah, I do a thing called the sevens collection, which is a affordable art print that's released from the first to the seventh of every month, and then the kind of print gets destroyed, the lino block gets destroyed, so it can't be made again. So it's kind of just making that whole art affordable. And honestly, it only happened I was about because I'd gone to part-time work. I'd kind of started to be like all right, I can make up my income and I'd gone to part-time work and then everyone kind of went back to work as well and then no one was spending online anymore. It kind of dipped a bit. So I was like, oh shit, I'm going to have to go back to full-time work. And then I kind of dipped a bit. So I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna have to go back to full-time work.    07:04 And then I kind of came up with this idea and I was like I'll try it for one month and see what happens. So I did it the first month and it went well. And I was like all right, try it the second month, and it didn't go so well. And I was like look, you've still got enough money to make it through a third month. See if you can do it again, and now it's been running for like two, two years, which is wild. So, yeah, I get, that is something that I'm like. A that I stuck to it, like usually I'd lose momentum at some point. But b it's just like keeps growing and you know you get to make something new every month.    07:30 - Alexis (Host) On the flip side of things, that you're proud of, what's something that's challenged your creativity, and how do you think you've navigated and maneuvered through that?    07:44 - Steph (Guest) You just kind of like you know, like you just get in your own way. Like it's so dumb, like you like sometimes I wish and I think maybe this should be my mentality like I wish I could just be like a business white man sorry to none of them listening like like. I just wish like I could just have the audacity to like go out and do it like like and just be like I'm not wrong, I'm fine. I could do it like. Sometimes I think we have to be white men and it's like and just like have the have the audacity to be like I can do that.    08:16 Not to make it about this, but like I did go through a patch where I was like really struggling to just even have a shower and like brush my teeth and like I went and got help and got medication and I think that is really important.    08:28 Like you don't have to be a struggling artist. You can actually be happy and healthy and I think sometimes you know when you're an artist you can play into that. I can still pull on my experiences in life, but I don't need to like be sad to create work. And I think sometimes it's like we feel like we've got to be like crying into our pain, it's like no, but yeah, getting in your own way, just to really tie a bow on that question, just like don't get in your own way, it's okay. It's like art, it's not that serious, it's not that deep, it's really not that deep. You can go and get a job at coles if you need to like. You can find a way to supplement your income if you need to like. I can go back to work full-time if I need to, it's okay relax.    09:16 - Alexis (Host) So with creating. Do you have something sentimental or something that is useful? Is there an object that you can't live without when you're creating?    09:29 - Steph (Guest) I was noise Like it's so silly, but like actual noise around me. So I've always either got to have a podcast on or something on television or like I've got to have noise around Interesting. It's like the voices in the head get quieter, like it's very that, isn't it like? Oh, like a bit deep, but yeah, people like I've got to have talking around all the time    09:51 - Alexis (Host)  Could you have someone working alongside you chatting to you, or is it like?    09:55 - Steph (Guest)  No, if you've got to ask me a question, I will get frustrated with you. If I'm in the middle of something, like my partner, she'll come in and she'll be like, hey, what are you doing? I'm like get out. But yeah, it's just. I think, yeah, there's just noise around Like I think that's like I don't really listen to music. Even I love listening to music when I'm thinking of ideas, but not necessarily when I'm creating. To music when I'm thinking of ideas, but not necessarily when I'm creating, like I'm I don't know why. It's like I'd much rather have like housewives fighting in the background than like some kind of nice calming sound um, what else do I have all the time? That's probably the consistent uh. And then there's just the basic tools, like investing in quality tools and stuff and putting that money back into the art, I think.     10:44 - Alexis (Host) If we delve into the creative. If someone wanted to do what you do, what piece of wisdom, what nugget of gold would you give to them?    10:55 - Steph (Guest) Probably two things. The first thing is really boring. But get yourself a tax agent. It's so boring, but you have to get yourself someone who's willing to like just do your taxes for you because, okay, nine times out of ten, you don't want to do it because you're a creative. Maths is not our strong suit nine times out of ten unless you're like an architect, but also like paying someone three hundred dollars to do your taxes is so much better because they can tell you what to claim. You won't get in trouble in the long run. Please, just pay someone to do your taxes for you because you're going to get more out of it. You'll either have to. And also, when you start making money and running your own business, you don't realize that, like, all right, I've got to put x amount away to therefore pay in taxes, because my bit like when I used to work for someone, they used to take it out of my pay. I never had to worry about it and then I get a refund at the end of the year. Guess what? You don't do that when you're a sole trader. So, yeah, get yourself a tax agent. Don't get in strife later down the track, because I think you could get yourself into a bit of trouble and then you owe too much money at once. That's my first bit of advice.    12:01 The second bit of advice is delegate where you can. Um, because as a creative you want to control everything yourself and sometimes you have to like, let go of the reins a little bit and go all right, I can actually give that to someone to do. I can. I don't have to have a hand in, like for me, I have to have a hand in whatever I create, like printing wise, you know, painting wise, that kind of thing. But I think that you know I don't need, I don't have, to make every box. I don't have to edit every podcast. I don't. You know, my partner now edits the podcast first I watch it through, clip it together like I didn't have. You know, my partner now edits the podcast first I watch it through, clip it together.    12:42 Like I didn't have to do all of it myself, like I was able. Like Joel, who does the podcast with me, I said can you help with, like, doing a promo shoot? He did it all himself. It looks fabulous, like he came up with a great concept, got a photographer like got it all lined up. I just had to turn off on the day and like act a goose and you know he just I could trust him to do it and you know what, it was better than what I would have come up with.    13:07 Like you know what I mean you can delegate, it's fine, rely on other people, start networking and like getting getting the team, yeah, and like how cool it when you get. Like my next thing is like I want to be able to because I still work part-time, you know, for other people, because I can't let go and do it all my, you know, and it's going to come to a point where I get to hire myself. But like the first person that you get to hire, like how cool is that, you know, when you're able to do that. Like you get to build your own team and it, you know that'll be cool.    13:39 So, yeah, delegate, where you can call up your friends, like if you need help, and like say I'll pay you in pizza, come over and build some boxes for me because I've got some orders to pack, like you need it. And also it makes it like not so solo, you know, because being a creative can be really solo and you get in your head. So, yeah, get a tax man, get a friend. A friend who's willing to work for very little, I mean not pizza. Yeah, pay you in pizza until I can pay you properly.    14:13 - Alexis (Host) Question, if you could give someone, maybe, like I don't know, resources like if someone wanted to develop their creative process of what you know, you sort of do. If they wanted to go down that pipeline like what book should they read, what video should they watch, is there courses that they could do um mentors that they could have. Oh god, uh, throwing it all at you.   14:38 - Steph (Guest) I like it. I think, like I did not go to uni for art, I didn't go to uni at all. I will preface this like I'm a self-taught biatch, so like, if you cannot afford to go to, like, go to a class or go to uni. Youtube, the school of YouTube and the school of like finding an artist and like watching their reels and watching what they do, like how they do something differently and then going and trying it yourself. Like I think that sometimes is so overlooked because it's like well, there's so many free resources, like you know through that, like you can watch so many people. Like there is a guy in Japan. He went from Canada to Japan and now he works in Japan as a woodblock maker. He's's like the Bob Ross of like wood printing. His voice is really calm, the videos are really slow and I just watched him for hours and I was like I reckon I could do that with lino printing. Like how does he do this? How does he line up his registration points? Like yeah, just learn from that. That's really I think.    15:39 Yeah, sometimes we have to think we've got to go to somewhere or go to a uni, and that's great If you're a uni gal or guy or person like go and do that. But yeah, for me it was. I had to, I learned by doing and sometimes school isn't good for that. So, yeah, go on, go into the YouTubes. There's also, like so many like free resources online, like like pictures and stuff to use as references through, like like a lot of the big galleries, because, you know, things get to a certain timeline I think 1920s. Now we're at where it's like free domain so you can actually use that stuff in your work if you need to. But there's a lot of free resources like that. Like, obviously don't copy, like, but you know like what is it? Good artist copy great artist, steal    16:29 - Alexis (Host) Appropriate yeah.    16:33 - Steph (Guest) And it's like, yeah, just go and like, yeah, there are a lot of like galleries that have those free domain images. You can use them as well. I'm trying to think where else do you go? I don't know. Like, yeah, I'm chronically online, which is where I learn everything. But I visual, I'm a visual learner. I have to watch a video and then go and do it myself. I can't read, like I can't, I can't. It's here and now on this podcast.    17:00 I must confess I cannot read, like sorry, but yeah and like, watch documentaries on other artists, like or what you're interested in at home, like, oh, my god, there's so many good ones. I'm such a doctor documentary watcher I love, I love. But you can learn so much from like what was happening at the time, who they were, you know creating with, like what's. You know what's the connection between, like Keith Haring, andy Warhol and Basquiat, because they're all you know. Because they're all up and coming at the same time. Like just seeing who's around, like that's really cool and learning how they just live their lives. I think you can learn from that too. Yeah, resources, just watch, watch everything watch everything.    17:40 Consume as much as you can and like saying that though, like, if you're finding that you're over consuming, like cut it off and like play a game or go and do something else, because sometimes you can over consume, and then you're like I'm gonna do this and you're like, or like you, you, you convince yourself that you can like go and do something or start a business and stuff, and you're like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, I've over consumed, take a break, I don't need to learn anymore. It's okay to not learn. Yeah, it's okay to stop the learning for a bit, so you can just like recalibrate, because otherwise we take on board too much and we go and then have a panic attack and, you know, burn out and don't do anything at all. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, where do you find it? What do you? What are your resources?    18:29 - Alexis (Host) oh, I very much agree with the youtube thing. I I want to say tiktok, but it's more in the sense of again finding the people who you resonate with and what they do, and whether that be across mediums, yeah, just be like.    18:55 I love how they talk to camera yeah, I love how they, you know, pull the curtain back on whatever they're doing, like how their storytelling goes, because really it doesn't matter whether you're a musician or you know painting a mural or whatever, it's the buy-in and how you, you know, bring people into the world.    19:17 - Steph (Guest) Yeah, people give tiktok so much jive right like I feel like back in the day we'd be like I read an article online like, as opposed to saying like I saw this tiktok video. That's like you can learn so much. There are so many smart, creative people on there. Like you know, always when it's news or facts, please go and like double check it. Like sometimes we get like we can watch something and be like I actually learned this like news fact and you're like, hang on, I need to go and actually double check that that's truth. But like that you so many smart, intelligent, creative people are on there.    19:49 Oh, my god, it's so cool, like, even like, like someone like gary v, who is not an artist, who just runs a big media company, I say just, it's like a conglomerate. You can learn stuff from him too, like he's got nothing to do with our, what we do. But you can be like oh, that's how you storytell. Oh, that's how you sell something to someone you know, because at the end of the day, that's kind of what you have to do like you're either selling selling yourself, um, or selling your art like, or selling your music. There's got to be some element of storytelling there. Yeah.    20:25 - Alexis (Host) Well said. Last question yes, if you could hear someone come on to this podcast and answer these questions, who would it be and why Can you resurrect?    20:37 - Steph (Guest) people from the dead.    20:38 No, I cannot, that's not fair, don't do that to me. Who would I like? There are probably a few. There is one of my friends, lambrini Lambrini Studios, I think she goes by. She's a resin artist. She does a lot of workshops. I think it would be really interesting to hear from her, because I don't do workshops, I'm not a teacher. She is. She's really really, really good. So I would love to hear from her because her business is. She obviously makes art and stuff, but her business is very different to mine so I'd love to hear her.    21:13 Um, who else? Uh, bromley? Get Bromley and his wife on the podcast. That's like I. There is a documentary, I think, art in the Dark or something. There's a great documentary on him and then you realise how much his wife is involved and how they do have a bit of like a factory going of, like how they make these big because like it feels like everyone's got a Bromley in their house, like I don't yet, but one day, but like how they kind of create this big conglomerate and how he kind of takes care of the art and she's the business and it's really interesting.    21:49 Power couple oh yeah, she's so switched on, like very, very smart, and like how they're building this business, so like it's almost like one day their kids will take over, and I think that's really when the art name becomes bigger than the person itself. That's always fascinating.   22:09 - Alexis (Host)   I love it yeah, oh, my goodness, steph, thank you so much. Thank you through the creative door and being on the podcast. This is the best.    22:15 - Steph (Host)  Amazing, thank you, thank you. 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